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Ashes to Ashes

Posted by Jakester on Sunday, May 2, 2010

Let's talk about it. I say this primarily to Dalty, but also to anyone else who's been keeping up with the third, and final series.

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Posted: 10 years 43 weeks ago

Fun to funky. We know Major Tom's a junkie.

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"Arsch an Arsch" is how you say "Ashes to Ashes" in German. Here's a scene from the German dub:

I think it's kind of lame when TV shows and movies namedrop their own titles, but I suppose that's just me.

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Ignoring Goiter, I'm enjoying the third series a lot, but am beginning to get concerned about what might be the underlying reality.

The star motif we've seen the last few episodes leads me to suspect we might get an ending similar to the US incarnation of "Life on Mars." Reflecting on it, that ending was kind of interesting, and it certainly wasn't "out of left field," as little clues were in most of the episodes. Still, I don't want to see it again.

The other option I'm seeing is that everyone is in limbo, and siding with Gene means they keep fighting, and siding with Keats means they're going to move on. I think that's too simplistic and it doesn't quite work, but it's a theory.

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Posted: 10 years 43 weeks ago

Intriguing idea. I thought he whole thing is a construct in her head whilst in a coma, but why do Hunt and the others turn up in her construct as well as Sam Tyler's? Your theory seems to answer that. So what did Sam do? And what did Hunt do to him?

Maybe Gene Hunt is the manifestation of some kind of gatekeeper, St Peter etc. Tyler's time in purgatory / limbo / whatever was up and Hunt helped him move on, but in the construct / reality / purgatory / limbo / whatever, it meant killing him.

I dunno. It better be good!

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Posted: 10 years 43 weeks ago

Yeah. It sort of works, but not quite. At least not well enough that I'd be satisfied with what I came up with.

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Posted: 10 years 43 weeks ago

Only a couple of weeks to go now. I am prepared to bet money that John Simm turns up in an episode before the end.

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Posted: 10 years 43 weeks ago

Moneybags Dalty, just throwin' it around!

Faster and faster, a nightmare we ride. Who'll take the reins when the miracle dies? Faster and faster till everything dies. Killing is our way of keeping alive. - Virgin Steele, Blood and Gasoline
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I am not usually a gambling man, which is possibly what helps me still have it to spend.

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I don't know if he'll turn up before the finale, but I expect to see him in the finale.

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So what do you think the significance of the stars is?

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I don't know, really. That's what was leaning me towards the US ending, but that's shit for this show. It was really odd for the US LoM, but it worked and was logical, and in retrospect, I don't see all the hate towards it, unlike, say, Battlestar Galactica.

I can't see how the stars fit into anything other than the "spaceship" ending, really. It sounds like we'll get some sort of big reveal on Friday, though.

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Posted: 10 years 43 weeks ago

I don't know how US LoM ended?

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They were all astronauts in cryosleep. The computers run dream programs to keep their brains active. Sam Tyler dreamed he was a cop in 2010, but the program glitched and he ended up in the '70s. All throughout the season, there were little clues, such as a bizarre little mini space rover that would appear, sort of like Alex' clown and the dead cop. The cops from the 70s are all his fellow astronauts. The show ends with them all stepping foot on...Mars.

The reveal certainly wasn't a cheat, as it had been planned from the beginning, but I think people really wanted either the "present day" to be real, OR to have the 70's be real. No one seemed to like that both were fabrications.

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Posted: 10 years 41 weeks ago

OK, after the penultimate episode, and the one before with Viv and Keats at the end, I have no idea whatsoever it is all about.

Any ideas?

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Posted: 10 years 41 weeks ago

Not a one. Shaz, Ray and Chris all saw stars together and heard something ("What'll ya have?" I think) from LoM. I really am lost.
I've heard it said that some fans have figured most of it out (but not everything). I'm not sure where those guys are posting 'cause I'd like to know.

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Posted: 10 years 41 weeks ago

I am desperately trying to remain "unspoiled" for Ashes to Ashes. I usually have a couple of weeks to catch up with it on the Sky+ box, but I shall be watching the finale on Friday night in real-time.

I just hope it isn't a dissappointment.

When Viv was dying he seemed freaked out by Keats' appearance, and Keats simply touched him to make him die. I also remember Keats did something similar earlier in the series didn't he?

I think that the choice between Hunt and Keats is important. Like they are all in limbo, some form of pergatory. If you choose Keats you choose Death and pass over to the afterlife. If you choose Hunt you go on fighting, and Hunt can help you return to life - which is what I think happenned with Sam Tyler.

Or is that all too obvious?

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Posted: 10 years 41 weeks ago

It's obvious, yeah, but it's one of the things I'm thinking as well.
Keats did touch someone else who died, yes. So did Gene. Arrrrgh! FRIIIIDAY!

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It's one of those terrible things like BSG where, no matter how they end it, it will be a dissappointment on some levels. The demystifying of it all is bound to be unsatisfying.

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I would have been more or less okay with BSG if they left the timeframe be ambiguous, or even if it was in a distant future -- the cycle maybe actually started with us, we had a nuclear holocaust and Earth was finally coming back to life again.
I just shut it off before the "150,000 in the future" thing.

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I really liked the ending, but like you I think the 150,000 year epilogue kind of ruined it. Should have just let the audience make up their own minds. It was as if they were worried that the audience wouldn't "Get It" if they didn't spell it all out.

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The bit with Roslin and Adama brought a tear to my eye though.

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Oh yeah, that was great, and leaving it there would have been fine as well. Some things just didn't make sense -- like, I know Lee wanted to travel and explore, but he was pretty sure he'd never see his dad again....and he was okay with that...WTF?

Oh well. Apparently, some British press people got a screener of the finale and totally dig it. The Mail spoiled that Alex and Gene snog. That's like "the big spoiler" that the rags are posting and everyone is gushing about. ReallY? REALLY?! Whether or not they get all "smoochy-time" (to steal a phrase from the lusty Karen Gillan) is really low on my list of concerns about what happens on the show. I'd say it's below "Am I gonna see Shaz in another pair of fingerless gloves again?"

I swear...it's like the Buffy/Xander shippers or the idiots who think that who Kate chooses is the most important thing about Lost.

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It's a tricky one. They need to explain the whole Gene Hunt thing, who he is, where he is, why he is, why they are apparently reposted to his beat from a place called "Hyde" etc. etc.

And yet..... and yet..... it needs to be absolutely spot on to not be either dissappointing or to do such a great character a disservice.

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In honour of the end, and just in case they blow it, here are some of his best gags so we can remember him as he was meant to be. Courtesy of the internet.

“You are surrounded by armed bastards!”

“You great… soft… sissy… girlie… nancy… French… bender… Man United supporting POOF!”

“He’s got fingers in more pies than a leper on a cookery course.”

“I think she’s as fake as a tranny’s fanny.”

“She’s as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.”

“Drugs, eh? What’s the point? They make you forget, make you talk funny, make you see things that aren’t there. My old grandma got all of that for free when she had a stroke.”

“What I call a dream involves Diana Dors and a bottle of chip oil! That’s what you call a guilty conscience, my friend.”

“Now. Yesterday’s shooting. The dealers are all so scared we’re more likely to get Helen Keller to talk. The Paki in a coma’s about as lively as Liberace’s dick when he’s looking at a naked woman… all in all this investigation’s going at the speed of a spastic in a magnet factory.”

“There will never be a woman prime minister as long as I have a hole in my arse.”

“I don’t like this. Gene Hunt smashes doors down. He does not pick dirty locks. I’m gonna be the laughingstock of the Lancashire Constabulary Dinner and Dance Meet.”

Sam Tyler: “I need a drink.”
Gene Hunt: “That’s the first sensible thing you’ve said since you got here.”

“Anything happens to this motor, I’ll come ’round your houses and stamp on all your toys. Got it? Good kids.”

Gene Hunt: “I’m not a Catholic me’self Mr Warren, but isn’t there something in the Bible about ‘Thou shalt not suck off rent boys’?”
Warren: “How dare you come in here!”
Gene Hunt: “You could have said that to the boy.”

[Gene and Sam need to get a pub landlord out of the way so that they can go undercover]
Gene Hunt: “Ray! Go and arrest the landlord of the Trafford Arms!”
Ray Carling: “What for?”
Gene Hunt: “Think of something on the way!”
[Later]
Gene Hunt: “In a bizarre twist of fate, the landlord was arrested this afternoon…. on suspicion of cattle rustling.”
[Ray takes a bow and receives a round of applause]

“Now is not the time to have a one night stand with your conscience.”

“You so much as belch out of line and I’ll have your scrotum on a barbed wire plate.”

Gene Hunt: “I think you’ve forgotten who you’re talking to.”
Sam Tyler: “An overweight, over-the-hill, nicotine-stained, borderline-alcoholic homophobe with a superiority complex and an unhealthy obsession with male bonding?”
Gene Hunt: “You make that sound like a bad thing.”

“I once punched a bloke for speaking French.”

Gene Hunt: “This is my city. And it will be a safe place for my wife and my mum to walk around in. Is that understood?”
Detectives: “Yes, guv.”
Gene Hunt: [Sternly] “Right. Find out who the dead woman was, find out who killed her. Do it now.”
[He checks his watch]
Gene Hunt: “Hold up, hold up. Do it tomorrow morning, first thing. [Brightly] Beer o’clock, gentlemen.”

Annie Cartwright: “Boss, there’s a viscous yellow liquid in his ear…”
Gene Hunt: “No, that’s the drip from my fried egg butty, love. Well done Miss Marple, that’s why we need women detectives…”

Chris Skelton: “I wonder what killed him?”
Gene Hunt: “That would be the bloody enormous hole in his chest where the bullet went in!”

“I’ve come at this from more angles than Linda Lovelace.”

“You’re not the one who is going to have to knit himself a new arsehole after 25 years of aggressive male love in prison”

[After being shot in the chest and saved by the bullet hitting his whiskey flask]
Sam Tyler: “What are the odds?”
[Hunt pulls out 5 flasks from various pockets]
Gene Hunt: “Pretty good actually.”

“It doesn’t take a degree in applied bollocks to know whats going on!”

“A criminal farts in this city and our snouts should be able to name the arse responsible!”

“If I worried as much as you, I wouldn’t fart through fear of shitting meself!”

“Your son, Mrs Bathurst, was a cold-hearted killer. And if there is a hell, he’s going there to be poked up the arse with sharp fiery sticks, forever and ever, Amen!”

Sam Tyler: “If it was to do with football, he’d have serious injuries”
Gene Hunt: “He’s dead. That’s quite serious.”

Sam Tyler: “I still think we need to entertain the possibility that this could be a racial killing.”
Gene Hunt: “Oh well, let’s entertain it, let’s take it out for a prawn cocktail, a steak and a bottle of Liebfraumilch, then kick it into the gutter where it belongs!”

“One second. Two seconds. Go on, then… try me. You know, I’ve had harder shites than you, Friday nights, after a curry. And when I’m done, I don’t sit and ruminate about the individual’s role in society, my son. I flush ‘em away.”

Ryan Burns: “I am the vine! You are the branches! John, Chapter 15, Verse 5!”
Gene Hunt: “You’re nicked for the murder of Delphine Parks, the rape and attempted murder of Nina Akiboa. Anything you say will be taken down, ripped up and shoved down your scrawny little throat until you’re choked to death. Gene Hunt, Chapter 1, Verse 2.”

“All right then Debbie, I’m a police officer and I’m going to give you a bit of advice. You never, ever do what scumbags like him tell you to… understood? Life is too precious – keep it that way. Right… piss off back to Liverpool and have a lovely life stealing hubcaps and being over sentimental, OK?”

Alex Drake: “I’m 90% certain he was on something…”
Gene Hunt: “Only 90%? How frightfully modest! The whole camp looks cheery this mornin’… is there a musical called ‘Paint Your Wagon Shit-Colored’?”

Doctor: “He’s dead!”
Gene Hunt: “So… five years of medical school paid off, then?”

“Excuse my colleague… education of a toff, manners of a sewer rat.”

“Take that seatbelt off! You’re a police officer, not a bloody vicar.”

“Right! How many birds does it take to screw in a light bulb? Two! One to run around screaming ‘What do I do?’ and one to shag the electrician!”

“Oh dear Lord, if this is a test, I fear I may fail. And I thought it would be the booze or the fags but oh no! I’m gonna die in an underground vault, in the company of a posh, mouthy tart with a head full of brains and the common sense of a grain weevil.”

Alex Drake: “The mind’s an amazing organ…”
Gene Hunt: “I’ve got an amazing organ.”
Alex Drake: “…capable of much more than you could imagine.”
Gene Hunt: “Right again.”

“I am not going to die in a trattoria!”

“Kebab? Looks like a pasty with its arse hanging out!

“Fire up the Quattro!”

“You’ve been Quattroed!”

Gene Hunt: “Yeah, and time’s running out for moi.”
Alex Drake: [surprised] “That’s French.”
Gene Hunt: “Sorry, I’m under pressure.”

Gene Hunt: “There is no conspiracy. Contrary to what commie nutters believe and what you’ve seem to have forgotten is that this is the home of bloody democracy, Land of Hope and Glory, Rule Britannia, roast beef and Yorkshire pud and a square deal for all. If the government are keeping secrets, it’s probably for our own bloody good.”
Alex Drake: “You are so naive.”
Gene Hunt: “And you are really pissing me off. The British government does not go around throwing people off the tops of buildings…”
Alex Drake: “Kennedy worked part time at a top secret weapons research center, joined a left-wing group… suddenly he’s murdered and his body goes missing…”
Gene Hunt: “Spies do not wear camo and keep girlie mags under their beds. They’re too busy sipping claret and touching each other’s posh todges. You probably know some of them. This is a murder inquiry.”
Alex Drake: “One that could already be compromised. They could be watching us right now!”
Gene Hunt: “And when they come, they’ll be wearing white coats and carrying a straightjacket and it won’t be my bloody size!”

“Once upon a time, in this room, a man drew a line. He said that police corruption was going to become a thing of the past. Well, that man was a liar and that man is now dead. I’m going to redraw that line. I am not a liar. We are police officers and we will behave like police officers. We will fight, slap, knock down, beat up and intimidate to hold back the wave of scum. That is our right, and that is our duty. But if I find one man feathering his own nest by so much as one bent penny, I will destroy him. Any questions?”

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Gene Hunt is awesome. End of.

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