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Comic discussions

Posted by Quasar on Thursday, April 15, 2010

If you like comics (and hopefully read at least one), throw in your 2.

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Superman has been in comics for seventy-two years. For much of that time, he's been in multiple twenty-two-page narratives (sometimes even multiple times a month). Throughout this time, he's remained more or less the same age. If he were deemed to be roughly thirty from the start, he would now be over one hundred years of age.

Agelessness across decades is pulled off better in a comedy setting. Even then, though, it can get sticky--especially if the characters are in a modern world setting that makes reference to current events. (Side note: Bart Simpson and I started out the same age in the first season of the Simpsons. Now I'm almost Homer's age, and Bart's still ten.) There's been plenty of retconning going on since to make it all work out.

It works particular well in the comic strip world, as long as the look of things is relatively consistent. The Blondie strip will be turning eighty in a few days.

Pretty much the only comic strip bold enough (though to think of the comic strip as bold is sort of laughable) to have characters age in a believable and consistent way was For Better or Worse. Even it did this weird reboot thing in 2008. (I'm not sure how long that lasted. Is the reboot going strong, or did she finally actually retire?)

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If a character is strong enough and liked well enough by the readers, the character will be able to weather idiotic reboots and revisions every five to ten years without too much fuss. People will bitch and moan while it is happening, then a little while afterward, then they will settle back down and start reading the comics again when the new world is firmly established and the character gets back to business.

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Posted: 10 years 33 weeks ago

When you say Superman has been in comics, wasn't the original appearance of Superman considered to be the Earth II Superman? And the length of a comic doesn't equal a month, so a year's worth of Superman comics could theoretically equal 12 days in Superman's life (or even less, if there a multiple issue arcs). But if we were to say a comic and the length of time to the next comic is the average equivalent of a week in the character's life, 72 years of comics would be the equivalent of 16.6 years in the character's life.

Of course the writer's usually fuck around with this type of continuity by having yearly Christmas issues, and having the current President in our world be the President in the comic world as well.

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Posted: 10 years 33 weeks ago

He's Earth 2 Superman to you and me, and Plain Ol' Superman to normal folks/folks who don't give much of a shit/casual comics fans.

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Posted: 10 years 29 weeks ago

I finally got around to reading Superman #701, the start of the run with the Babylon 5 dude. Naturally, the story wasn't particularly good. The art was good, however, but with one noticable exception: Superman has no nose. Yes, from the front view it appears he has a normal nose like everyone else in the world, but from the side you can see it plaininly: from Superman's forhead to his chin is a perfect straight line. No protusions from his face whatsoever. His face looks like it's constantly being pressed into an invisible wall.

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Posted: 10 years 29 weeks ago

So what's this Chaos War thingy being hyped in the latest issues of Marvel Comics?

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I hadn't heard of it, but looking it up at Marvel.com, it seems Hercules and Amadeus Cho have both gotten power boosts, and they create a "God Squad" consisting of Thor, the Silver Surver, Galactus, Sersi & Venus, and they fight some dude called the Chaos King and his army of enslaved deities. It'll be a 5 part mini-series plus several cross-overs and one-shots.

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

George Martin's adaptation of Doorways hits stand today. I will buy it.

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I saw that when I was looking at upcoming titles.  I was unfamiliar with it.  I considered mentioning it on here, but I figured you guys were already aware of it.

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I knew it was coming out, but wasn't sure when. Normally I check the upcoming titles on Tuesday, but didn't get a chance to this week. Then I got an email from an ebay search and it's already being listed there. I figured I must've missed the shelf release. I'm glad I didn't.

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

Snagged it yesterday. It came in 2 covers, one kinda crappy, and one real cool. They had one left of the real cool. Now they have none left.

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

Should I get hold of "The Walking Dead", or just sit back and enjoy the TV show?

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The Swollen Goi...
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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

Go ahead and get it.  I think it really finds its legs once Charlie Adlard comes on board.

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

Is he a zombie?

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

He's the artist. 

Though what good an artist would be in a zombie apocalypse is beyond me.

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

A good artist trained in realisim would have a strong grasp on spatial awareness and anatomy. A little training with weaponry and combat manuvers and you could have a man capible of dodging between slow moving zombie hords while incapacitating, if not outright taking out, waves of zombies.

He might not be a one man army but he'd be one hell of a scout or an advanced assault trooper.

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

Plus he could draw comics for the zombies. You wouldn't need a writer because zombies can't read.

Faster and faster, a nightmare we ride. Who'll take the reins when the miracle dies? Faster and faster till everything dies. Killing is our way of keeping alive. - Virgin Steele, Blood and Gasoline
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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

Going more mainstream for a sec, how does everyone feel about the Batsplosion at DC? Batman, Detective Comics, Batman and Robin, Batman: Streets of Gotham, Batgirl, Gotham City Sirens, Batman: Confidential, and now Batman, Inc., Batman: The Dark Knight, and Batwoman just starting, and Batman Beyond starting in January.

I only read those first four (dropped GC Sirens), and I don't plan on picking up any of the new titles (except for Batman Beyond, but that's not really connected to any of the other titles).

What do ya'll think?

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

I think you forgot The Return of Bruce Wayne limited series.

Yeah, I don't really buy any of the mainstream titles. I used to buy Green Lantern, but then their kickass artist left to work on Blackest Night and I haven't bought it since. The artist on Flash: Reborn was one of the most amazing artists I've seen, but the guy on The Flash regular series is a hair above drawing stick figures.

As to your question, me no care about Batsplosion.

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Posted: 10 years 22 weeks ago

This one's for Goiter:

http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/1/6/16020_400x600.jpg

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Yeah, I wasn't really counting the minis, or else you'd have to include Return of Bruce Wayne, the Batman Beyond mini, Batman: Odyssey, and Batman: The Widening Gyre as well.

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Batman: Odyssey has been pretty terrible.  Neal Adams shouldn't write comics.  He really shouldn't be drawing them at this point, either.

I've been following along with the Batman stuff.  I buy Batman & Robin and I got all the Return of Bruce Wayne stuff.  Grant Morrison can be pretty frustrating.  He can put out something as enjoyable as All-Star Superman, then follow it with something as slapdash and over-the-top (well, superhero comics are this by design, I guess) as the Final Crisis series.  Batman & Robin had a decent start, but it was already feeling tired before the issues got into the double digits.  The Return of Bruce Wayne was just sorta stupid.  I'm curious to see where Batman Incorporated goes, so I'll stick with it for a while.

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Here's the list of all the current and upcoming Bat titles and minis.

Batman
Detective Comics
Batman and Robin
Batman: Streets of Gotham
Batman: Confidential
Batgirl
Gotham City Sirens
Superman/Batman (I think it counts)
Batman, Inc.
Batman: The Dark Knight
Batwoman
Batman Beyond (ongoing)
Batman: The Brave and the Bold
Red Robin
Azrael (I guess it counts)
Batman Beyond (mini)
Batman: Odyssey
Batman: The Widening Gyre
Batman: Orphans
Batman: Europa
 

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Actually I just picked up the latest Superman/Batman issue. I do that on occasion when they have good art. Usually the art is beyond terrible, but this time they had that guy who was on JLA, (I think his name's Bennes(?)), before JLA got taken over by the craptacular art of Goiter's favorite Mark Bagley. I'm waiting for a good artist before I start buying that title again (not that the stories have been any reason to buy the title either).

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Quasar wrote:

JLA got taken over by the craptacular art of Goiter's favorite Mark Bagley.

You lying bastard!

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I've become very lax on picking up my comics, I have no excuse as I live less than half a block from the comic shop. Today I picked up what comics they were holding and was startled at the amount. Eight comics were waiting for me, and since I only have three titles listed to pull you may understand my shock. And then I took a closer look...

One was a freebie, detailing all the shit (and I say shit because that is what it is) that has occurred in Spiderman since he made a deal with the devil.

One was a punisher max one shot. I assume there is no more ongoing punisher max because all i've received are one shots. This one was a rip off of American Psycho. Decent, but not original.

Four of them are Thor comics. I have it set up so if somehting Thor comes along she will pull me a copy to see if I want to pick it up. I usually do because I like supporting small business and comics in general, though the quality of the series is greatly declining. But of these four only one was an issue of the monthly series.
 I have Chaos War: Thor part one of two...don't know what that is.
 Thor: For Asgard part 4 of 6. So far it has sucked, but canceling would involve more hassle than it is worth.
 and Thor: First Thunder part 2 of 5. Haven't read it yet. Don't recall the first one. eh.

The last two are my Zatanna comics. Apparently issue six marks the end of Dini's run, because issue seven is by someone else. Maybe it's a filler issue, I don't know because the only ads inside are for the batbooks. so I will now launch into two mini-rants...

one: Comics are a dying art. Sad since superheroes are more prevalent and accepted now, but the actual 'comic book' is going bye bye. Part of the problem is rotating creative teams. I want to cheer for Zatanna; I like her personality (seriously, she's a hero who has fun with it. How cool is that?) but how can I do this if new writers keep coming on board and screwing about with it? I want to make a commitment to the title, but if the writer that I joined for is not there how can I believe in the final project.

Granted, issue seven was pretty good, a little talky during battle, but it worked. Still my point stands, when they relaunched Wolverine a ways back with Greg Rucka I was so on board. The creative team had amazing ideas and I fell for it hook line and sinker. Then they left, and it went right back to stupid ol' "I'm wolverine and I can kill the whole universe, grrr, i'm badass". Punisher max suffers from this too, with all the one shots there is no cohesion any more. Maybe i'm jumping the gun. Maybe Zatanna  issue eight will have Dini writing again, but my point remains. I wish to enjoy comics, but the people in charge won't let me.

Two: How do I feel about all the batman titles? It's stupid. It's an overflood of the market and probably an attempt to maintain a hold on these characters. Again I have no idea what is in store for Zatanna next month, but i've been solicited over and over for random batman related books. For the batfamily I say we need three books, maybe four, max. Give us the core Batman & crew, give us Red Robin, Give us the ensemble cast, and maybe one just focusing on solo efforts.

Any other ideas? Shove em into a graphic novel. That's where a lot of this Thor stuff belongs, as stand alone graphic novels. 

The problem is that graphic novels/trade paperbacks are both a blessing and a curse to comics. As they contain lots of story for less investment they are a brilliant way to get people into comics. Plus you can stick old stories together and it makes tracking down classics much easier. Because of this a whole new audience is learning about superheroes and we now have the renaissance you see before you.

However, since we can just wait a few months and get all these issues bundled together no one is buying individual comics anymore. But it is the individual comics that fuel comic book trades. If no one buys them, there are no trades. So as an effort to boost interest in comcis they create all these side stories and stand alone tales that get annoying and frustrating to collect.

We need a bigger lag between when an issue is released and the trade. It may seem like a dick thing to do, but I think it could help. Then we take all these one shots and stand alone epics and hype the hell out of them and release them as actual graphic novels. We would also have to bring back a bit of the old time storytelling, have a small blurb at the beginning telling what the hero is about in short. I once heard that "Every comic is someone's first." I think we need to hold on to that, we don't need tons of exposition, but "I'm the best there is at what I do, but what I do isn't very nice." gives you a nice capsule of what the character is about. 

Gah, I could go on for much longer. I feel very strongly about superheroes, comics, and national identity but I think I should cut this off here. 

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