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AICN Writers Being Dumb

Posted by The Swollen Goi... on Wednesday, July 24, 2013

A modest collection.

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Let's face facts here.  Harry is over $300k in hoc to the IRS and his ad revenue is at less than 25% of what it was in it's prime.

This £100k is going straight into his back pocket then he and his bride are off to Thailand on the run.  6 months after their arrival, he will be found dead in his wheelchair in mysterious circumstances.

....says "Kill Bond, NOW!"
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Posted: 7 years 14 weeks ago

I don't know how mysterious those circumstances will be, considering he's a morbidly obese guy on the run.
*ba-dum tishhh*

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He's $300,000 in debt, and his stated end goal for the Kickstarter is $300,000. (He was being ultra kind by only asking us for $100,000.) How much more transparent could this be?

Now he's coming under fire for something else he did via Twitter. According to thunder_storm, Harry mentioned having his PS3 and wheelchair in the repair shop in response to somebody else on Twitter talking about vet bills. From there, Harry says something about letting his puppy die and getting another puppy. Because, you know, it would be cheaper that way.

I think he's since retracted and has essentially mocked people for not realizing he was joking. (This has shades of the Brian Cox thing, where he showed himself incapable of the simple act of admitting a mistake.) He may have even removed the post. I know he removed the creepy "I love you" at the end of his Kickstarter video. Maybe the "I love you" bit is still there on the Wayback Machine.

I guess the lesson here is that you don't joke about money while you are begging for it.

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Mal Shot First wrote:

I don't know how mysterious those circumstances will be, considering he's a morbidly obese guy on the run.

*ba-dum tishhh*

He can't run. Wheelchair. Perhaps you meant "on the runway."

It feels good to be making fun of somebody else for being fat, for a change. It also feels kinda icky. It's Harry, though. The guy invites all kinds of criticism.

If he winds up committing suicide, I'll probably feel partly responsible.

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Posted: 7 years 14 weeks ago

I'd feel even more responsible if I'd mailed him a mirror.

Faster and faster, a nightmare we ride. Who'll take the reins when the miracle dies? Faster and faster till everything dies. Killing is our way of keeping alive. - Virgin Steele, Blood and Gasoline
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TAUMarek just made this point:

I wonder what the movie studios are going to think when they find out that Harry is putting $10k in his pocket from selling tickets to an event to see their movies. I thought any proceeds from BNAT were supposed to go charity?

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Does Harry get away with it because the money is officially "donation" money?

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This is some genuinely shady shit.

Some people called him on it on Twitter. Here's the conversation:

Corey Smith ‏(@CourtsideCorey)
If BNAT proceeds go to charity, how can you sell tickets 2 fund your KS? Do the studios know you are using their product 4 that

Harry Knowles ‏(@headgeek666)
BNAT ticket price is deducted from Kickstarter to the event

Apocalypse Pooh (‏@Frankenollie) 
All Kickstarter fund are to be used for the project. Charities are excluded. Read the guidelines.

Harry Knowles (‏@headgeek666)
it's the cost of the tickets, like the cost of the shirts, DVDs,etc

Corey Smith (‏@CourtsideCorey)
Sorry I'm confused. Would love to go to BNAT but don't understand how you can sell the tickets for donations to a KS.

Apocalypse Pooh (‏@Frankenollie)
"Creators cannot promise to donate a portion of funds raised or future revenue to a cause."

Harry Knowles ‏(@headgeek666)

we cleared everything with Kickstarter before launch

Did he really, though? Or did he just clear some version of it? It makes me wonder if Harry had planned not to bring it up unless somebody called him on it.

"If anybody asks, I'll say it's gonna be deducted! If nobody asks, well, then... giggle."

He's waving tickets for an event in front of people's face for the insane price of $2,500. They are donating that insane amount of money specifically so they can get those tickets. How many donations have been made for $2,000? None. How many donations have been made for $3,000? None. How many donations have been made for $2,500? Three.

To me, this is at least something like selling the tickets. Some portion of it goes toward charity, I guess, but it doesn't make it right--especially since he didn't make it clear beforehand. There was absolutely no indication on Kickstarter (still isn't) that he would be handling the donations in that way.

We already know that a portion of the tickets sold during the first week of Disneynature's Bears is going toward the National Park Foundation, and that movie doesn't come out until Earth Day 2014.

Do you see what Disney did? They made it clear. If you want to help fund the NPF, go during the first week. If you don't want to help Disney line its koffers any more than you have to, don't go after the first week.

"BNAT ticket price is deducted from Kickstarter to the event" is not making anything clear. It's a pretty vague statement. I mean, I guess if you examine it closely enough you can figure out that he will take the cost of the BNAT ticket out of the $2,500 and donate it to charity, but you can't just look at it and immediately know what he means. 

Even when he's defending himself against charges of fraud, he can't be assed to write clearly.

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Again, TAUMarek chimes in:

The issue isn't with Harry taking the money out of the $2,500 to donate the regular ticket price from BNAT to the charity, it is the fact that he is using unreleased Studio material to make himself $10k minus the $400 that goes to charity.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the charity, but with the fact he is using other people's hard work to line his own pockets. What do you think the studios are going to say once they realize he profited $9,500+ off their names for himself?

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The Swollen Goi... wrote:

They made it clear. If you want to help fund the NPF, go during the first week. If you don't want to help Disney line its koffers any more than you have to, don't go after the first week."

That isn't clear to me at all. Isn't "don't go after the first week" the same as "go during the first week"?

Faster and faster, a nightmare we ride. Who'll take the reins when the miracle dies? Faster and faster till everything dies. Killing is our way of keeping alive. - Virgin Steele, Blood and Gasoline
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I'm talkin' NPF in one sentence and Disney in the other. It couldn't be more clear!

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 I smell advertisers pulling ads simply because, and I know 'cos I have been there, they just can't be arsed with this shit.

Bad press gets critical mass and goes viral, then contract be damned.  Our brand is outta there!

....says "Kill Bond, NOW!"
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Posted: 7 years 14 weeks ago

The point that TAUMarek makes would be valid about anyone who scalps tickets, which is essentially what Harry is doing. Of course, sports teams usually aren't happy about people scalping tickets, but it happens anyway.

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Harry sure is hairy.

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Draven fails at basic math:

The original TED grossed about $550 million worldwide on a budget of about $50 million. I had fun with it but I am not sure it needs a sequel. Obviously though, with it making ten times more than its budget, Universal wants a sequel and MacFarlane is probably making an even bigger chunk of money by giving it to them.

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I guess it technically did make ten times more than its budget--the same way it made two, three, and four times more than its budget. It also made more than any of these numbers, but hey. A guy who manages to sell his entire collection of Knickerbocker 18" Huckleberry Hound dolls has also managed to sell half his collection. (This assumes, of course, that he had an even number of dolls--unless he had an odd number and one of the dolls was halved.)

Am I being too hard on the guy? Is it wrong to ask for such specificity?

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The Swollen Goi... wrote:

Am I being too hard on the guy? Is it wrong to ask for such specificity?

It might be time for a hobby....

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This is my hobby.

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Obviously this Draven doesn't know how to turn it up to 11.

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The general tone of Draven's writing kind of reminds me of Ipsilon.

Sent from Dalton's IPad.
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 Could it be......??

....says "Kill Bond, NOW!"
The Swollen Goi...
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Well, damn.

Harry said on Twitter that "every penny of our studio cost goes to help fund AUSTIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE & public education."

This didn't seem right to people in the Talkbacks. How could it? Someone mentioned that it's against Kickstarter policy to use cash raised via kickstarter to fund a cause or charity.

A new guy going by "Sweaty Fat Ginger" clarified: "ACC has bought the mall property so that they can install classrooms and the like. Essentially Harry would be paying rent to ACC."

When Harry says, "every penny of our studio cost goes to help fund AUSTIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE & public education," then, it's technically true. It's also pretty damned misleading. ("So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view.")

Shady, shady, shady!

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 This whole thing stinks like yesterday's diapers.

....says "Kill Bond, NOW!"
The Swollen Goi...
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I just checked to be sure. Your assessment of yesterday's diapers was accurate.

Quasar
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Are any of these quotes you keep bringing over here from you?

Faster and faster, a nightmare we ride. Who'll take the reins when the miracle dies? Faster and faster till everything dies. Killing is our way of keeping alive. - Virgin Steele, Blood and Gasoline